'Want to do' events

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Re: 'Want to do' events

Post by JimC » Mon Nov 10, 2014 1:37 pm

SoggyBadger wrote:It's just common sense really. Choose a general purpose dinghy...
We are, after all the classic and vintage Racing Dinghy association. I'll happily cheer on those who enjoy cruising in sensible dual purpose cruising dinghies, but its not a game I personally wish to play. When one is talking about craft that are way beyond their intended design life, and often with seaworthiness compromised in favour of originality, budget, style and so on, then it is a slightly different game. Of course if one had a backup team of sensible souls in auxiliary outboard equipped cruising Wayfarers following the fleet to provide cover that would be pretty much as good as a couple of RIBs.

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Re: 'Want to do' events

Post by Michael4 » Mon Nov 10, 2014 4:15 pm

Talking about sensible souls...

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MR 950, a genteel old river lady, out on Chichester Harbour on Saturday (remember the wind?). Quite whether this was a relaxing cruise is moot...
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Re: 'Want to do' events

Post by Nessa » Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:31 pm

Part of the 'homework' for my recent Coach Assessor course was to prepare a Passage Plan out of Cowes for a small group of cruising dinghies and a support RIB. This took me a full day to get to a satisfactory standard, including tides, weather, local hazards and escape routes, but it was actually fun to do and very interesting.

Part of the exercise was obviously to ensure we can train instructors to teach Day Sailing, but part of it was also to try and resurrect the dying practice of taking children cruising from many of the sailing centres around the country.

The demand for detailed Risk Assessments now means many schools and youth organisations no longer include this great experience in their typical activity week, and to my mind, and also that of the RYA, this is a great shame. With proper preparation, sensible precautions being taken, and careful adherence to common sense rules about safety there is no reason why cruising can't be as safe, if not often safer, than dinghy racing. For many, it's even more fun.

I would happily take part in a properly planned dinghy cruise with the cvrda, I might even be prepared to help with the planning. Er Indoors and I now have our own RIB too, so we can even bring a support boat.

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Re: 'Want to do' events

Post by Michael Brigg » Mon Nov 10, 2014 10:31 pm

Nessa wrote:Part of the 'homework' for my recent Coach Assessor course was to prepare a Passage Plan out of Cowes for a small group of cruising dinghies and a support RIB. This took me a full day to get to a satisfactory standard, including tides, weather, local hazards and escape routes, but it was actually fun to do and very interesting....

...The demand for detailed Risk Assessments now means many schools and youth organisations no longer include this great experience in their typical activity week, and to my mind, and also that of the RYA, this is a great shame...

I would happily take part in a properly planned dinghy cruise with the cvrda, I might even be prepared to help with the planning. Er Indoors and I now have our own RIB too, so we can even bring a support boat.

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While I agree that exercises such as these as a means of teaching young sailors how to make their own risk assessments are an essential part of any sailing education (wether that be an official RYA course or a parent led exercise) it is the call of the wild that is motivating and stimulating many of the contributors to this thread and in many ways I suspect it is the absence of a rib or other support vessel that will be an essential part of the experience.

Sensible personal risk assessment yes, essential, and as a part of that, acceptance of the need to keep to ones limits.

Rescue boats, now downgraded by medicolegal necessity to safety, and even further "support" boats, may not have a place in this kind of exercise, and like any adventure/expedition, the pleasure of achievement often lies with the perceived and felt sense of having been entirely self reliant and responsible.

As soon as you have a support vessel there is a responsibility placed upon that vessel to be the safety net and conscience of the expedition.
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Re: 'Want to do' events

Post by Obscured by clouds » Mon Nov 10, 2014 11:35 pm

well the support vessel can carry the sarnies BBq stuff and beer..............
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Re: 'Want to do' events

Post by Rupert » Tue Nov 11, 2014 9:33 am

I was thinking that too - whether it be RIB or a Wayfarer with a seagull and coolbox in the locker, there are uses for a mothership.
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Re: 'Want to do' events

Post by Stephen Hawkins » Tue Nov 11, 2014 2:57 pm

I would like to add that a previous owner to me has pierced the side decks for rowlocks and added a pad for an outboard motor to my National 12, Sparkle. The shame of it........Although it might turn out to be useful, if this goes ahead. Better dig out some oars and rowlocks

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Re: 'Want to do' events

Post by SoggyBadger » Sun Nov 16, 2014 3:21 pm

Michael Brigg wrote: it is the call of the wild that is motivating and stimulating many of the contributors to this thread and in many ways I suspect it is the absence of a rib or other support vessel that will be an essential part of the experience.
For me the constant whine of an outboard would mar what should be a very tranquil stretch of river.
Michael Brigg wrote: Rescue boats, now downgraded by medicolegal necessity to safety, and even further "support" boats, may not have a place in this kind of exercise, and like any adventure/expedition, the pleasure of achievement often lies with the perceived and felt sense of having been entirely self reliant and responsible.
I feel it's worth point out that the upper reaches of the Tamar probably average a width of about 100 feet. So you're never more than a few boat lengths from dry land in an emergency.
Michael Brigg wrote: As soon as you have a support vessel there is a responsibility placed upon that vessel to be the safety net and conscience of the expedition.
Plus what do you do if the support vessel breaks down?
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Re: 'Want to do' events

Post by JimC » Mon Nov 17, 2014 9:35 am

SoggyBadger wrote: Plus what do you do if the support vessel breaks down?
Go hungry or try and find a pub that will feed muddy sailors...

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Re: 'Want to do' events

Post by Pat » Mon Nov 17, 2014 2:01 pm

JimC wrote:Plus what do you do if the support vessel breaks down?
Always plan to go so you can drift back with the river flow or tide.

The rules for the Ranelagh Tideway races on the tidal Thames include that every boat should carry an anchor and line and a paddle all tied on to avoid loss during a capsize. On somewhere like the Tamar this should be enough to bring you into the bank and tie up safely.
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Re: 'Want to do' events

Post by STEVERESERVE » Mon Nov 17, 2014 10:51 pm

Hi,
Some of us are already doing cruises, the UKHBBR Thames raid last June (Letchlade to Beale Park) included a 51 year old Mermaid and an even older GP14.
No rescue rib in sight either. Video here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUg8TRmN ... e=youtu.be
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