Yachting World Scow

davidh · Post by **davidh** » Thu Nov 01, 2007 1:52 pm

Alan,

THanks for Calypso - that's a starting point for a hunt around.

John K - thanks very much for the 'steer' - in writing about Jack H I'd passed over the Jacksnipe as an irrelevance - but actually, it's not!

Now I remember the Jacksnipe coming out but little more, so far the tinternet has added more details - but nothing more substantive.

Was it a scow shaped hull or was it pointy at the front?

Anyone sailed one?

David

Post by Ed » Thu Nov 01, 2007 5:53 pm

Photo of Jacksnipe in the 1971 edition of Boat World Guide to Dinghies.

class didn't make it into the 1973 edition.

Bow looks sharp at the stem, but quite wide at the deck. Was racing of PY of 88.

can put up description if you want.

But was round bilged and had a self-draining double bottom.

cheers

eib

davidh · Post by **davidh** » Thu Nov 01, 2007 6:00 pm

ed,

I knowthey made about 30 - but essentiallythe whole package was underpowered. Fitting a bigger rig didn't help (it rarely does!) so in the end the project flopped.

Some interesting viewpoints re the role of the UK Snipe class and their handling of the matter too!

It sounds to me a bit like the Typhoon - a good boat but ahead of it's time!
D

JohnK · Post by **JohnK** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 12:56 pm

I'll send the Jacksnipe photos I have to your Bearface address.

John

davidh · Post by **davidh** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 5:04 pm

John,

these are just the DBs!!!!!!

Now I've seen the pictures, these have jolted the old grey matter! Jack Knights did the test sail for either Small Craft or Y&Y and decalred it, if I remember rightly, a great step forward.

I must admit that the Snipe is something of an enigma to me.

I crewed in one once (only because the owner had a daughter)but it is true what they say - "life is too short to do something like that twice".

Now though, with ( Ihope) a much more mature approach to what constitutes a good dinghy, I can seethat the Snipe provides top class racing - still - and as such warrants another look.

In this country though - teh future for the boat looks far less rosy!

D

JohnK · Post by **JohnK** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 5:56 pm

DBs? Day Boats? Double Bottoms? (National 12 sailor)
John

davidh · Post by **davidh** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 6:04 pm

John.

How can I break this to you gently: Neither of your answers are right.

But as a Nat 12 sailor you should know all about being the dogs b.......ks

David

Post by **roger** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 6:49 pm

Anyone seen the front page of Sailing Anarchy today Scows under asyymetric and symetric kites.

http://www.sailinganarchy.com/index_page1.php

davidh · Post by **davidh** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 6:56 pm

The v crazy thing is though -they don't seem to 'wire' them!

But thanks for the 'steer' - scows will be featured soon, the biggest draw back is getting some usuable pictures that would illustrate the article.

Does ANYONE remember the (ok - it was pretty dire) 'Flipper' Scow?

D

Post by **neil** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 7:04 pm

davidh wrote:The v crazy thing is though -they don't seem to 'wire' them!

But thanks for the 'steer' - scows will be featured soon, the biggest draw back is getting some usuable pictures that would illustrate the article.

Does ANYONE remember the (ok - it was pretty dire) 'Flipper' Scow?

D

There was an article in Classic Boat a few years ago on the designer of the Flipper Scow. I'll go and knock the dust off my CB collection over the weekend

and here's one in action http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv9u2Vy5 ... ed&search=

Nigel · Post by **Nigel** » Sat Nov 03, 2007 1:13 pm

But what is the boat they are chasing? It looks gunter rigged and trapeze.

alan williams · Post by **alan williams** » Sat Nov 03, 2007 8:07 pm

Hi Dave
A sailing charity in Plymouth has Flipper Scows . They were given them by the supplier as they were stock he could not get rid off.
Cheers Al
Ps have friend who works for the charity and I'll ask him to get you some pics.

Chris 249 · Post by **Chris 249** » Sun Nov 04, 2007 10:35 am

I have a Milne article and study plans for the giant Furball. Cool boat, with the inverted Vee bow.

Scows can look strange, but when I was younger the scow Moths were always one of the coolest boats around. The scows do offer a lot of speed with stability; perhaps they could do with a revival?

Post by **roger** » Sun Nov 04, 2007 3:11 pm

Nigel wrote:But what is the boat they are chasing? It looks gunter rigged and trapeze.

I thought it might be a sliding seat

davidh · Post by **davidh** » Sun Nov 04, 2007 5:13 pm

Chris,

Just the question that is about to be asked! With modern build techniques, what would a performance scow be likein comparison to the 'skiffs' of today.

On thing is for certain - a 'heavy' scow is a ticket to nowhere!!!

Think in terms of a Fireball, built using the latest compsoite materials and with an improved rig - the 'wow factor could be right up there!

D