National 12's of the 60's and 70's - Knowledge Please?
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National 12's of the 60's and 70's - Knowledge Please?
Hi all,
Second thread here after the wonderful response to my I18 and Intro post.
Yesterday I had that "barn find" moment. It was GOOD.
Was told of a boat that might be available, went to see,
Was shown this:
Just a peek eh?
Ooh hello:
Lots more pics:
http://s1323.photobucket.com/user/bikes ... 20-%201973
Boat register update: http://www.national12.org/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.cgi?m-2707/
Thoughts and comments please anyone remember this boat?
Thanks,
DF
Second thread here after the wonderful response to my I18 and Intro post.
Yesterday I had that "barn find" moment. It was GOOD.
Was told of a boat that might be available, went to see,
Was shown this:
Just a peek eh?
Ooh hello:
Lots more pics:
http://s1323.photobucket.com/user/bikes ... 20-%201973
Boat register update: http://www.national12.org/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.cgi?m-2707/
Thoughts and comments please anyone remember this boat?
Thanks,
DF
Re: National 12's of the 60's and 70's - Knowledge Please?
You jammy so & so, talk about beginner's luck, that's lovely boat!
Looks to be in concourse winning condition before it even comes out of the barn too.
Looks to be in concourse winning condition before it even comes out of the barn too.
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Re: National 12's of the 60's and 70's - Knowledge Please?
lovely barn find. Guess there are still gems to be found.
Tony
MR 2404 Julia Dream
N18 276 Sibrwd [ongoing project]
Hirondelle catamaran Kalipse
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MR 2404 Julia Dream
N18 276 Sibrwd [ongoing project]
Hirondelle catamaran Kalipse
[down to 3!]
Re: National 12's of the 60's and 70's - Knowledge Please?
Well done indeed. You'll be on the water very soon too.
Put November 15th in you diary now and bring it along to Baltic Warf in Bristol for our event there. Even if you only want a potter around you'll be welcome. Very interesting historic place to sail as well.
Put November 15th in you diary now and bring it along to Baltic Warf in Bristol for our event there. Even if you only want a potter around you'll be welcome. Very interesting historic place to sail as well.
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Re: National 12's of the 60's and 70's - Knowledge Please?
What a lovely boat (very lucky you are!).
She looks in much better condition than our N12 too!
Well done....
Cheers,
Max
She looks in much better condition than our N12 too!
Well done....
Cheers,
Max
AC 298 TimeWarp
Cherub 2627 - Sgt Murphy (nee Last Amber Dragon)
Farr 3.7 (slowly progressing build)
National 12 3337
Cherub 2627 - Sgt Murphy (nee Last Amber Dragon)
Farr 3.7 (slowly progressing build)
National 12 3337
Re: National 12's of the 60's and 70's - Knowledge Please?
Trouble is, you'll need another boat to restore!
Rupert
Re: National 12's of the 60's and 70's - Knowledge Please?
Nice find.
Get a few miles under you belt and then start looking for a boat to restore. There are always a few around.
cheers
eib
Get a few miles under you belt and then start looking for a boat to restore. There are always a few around.
cheers
eib
Ed Bremner
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Re: National 12's of the 60's and 70's - Knowledge Please?
Well did you buy it then?
Methinks you have a touch of the ailment that caught me out when I got back into dinghies. After years spending money on old cars (in your case bikes), great dinghies appear to be extraordinarily cheap. Your ambitions are only limited by the issue of storage and not size of wallet.
Beware...
Michael
Methinks you have a touch of the ailment that caught me out when I got back into dinghies. After years spending money on old cars (in your case bikes), great dinghies appear to be extraordinarily cheap. Your ambitions are only limited by the issue of storage and not size of wallet.
Beware...
Michael
Tideway 206
11+
Sold the 'Something bigger and plastic', it never got used.
11+
Sold the 'Something bigger and plastic', it never got used.
Re: National 12's of the 60's and 70's - Knowledge Please?
Too right!
I have just done it the other way around, by putting my Moto-Guzzi back on road after 14 years 8 months in storage.
Just horrified by how much all bike bits cost, and more than a little surprised by how much the bike is now worth!
But for sure, storage is always the issue with boats!
eib
I have just done it the other way around, by putting my Moto-Guzzi back on road after 14 years 8 months in storage.
Just horrified by how much all bike bits cost, and more than a little surprised by how much the bike is now worth!
But for sure, storage is always the issue with boats!
eib
Ed Bremner
CVRDA
Jollyboat J3
Firefly F2942
IC GBR314 ex S51 - 1970 Slurp
MR 638 - Please come and take it away
Phelps Scull
Bathurst Whiff - looking for someone to love it
CVRDA
Jollyboat J3
Firefly F2942
IC GBR314 ex S51 - 1970 Slurp
MR 638 - Please come and take it away
Phelps Scull
Bathurst Whiff - looking for someone to love it
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Re: National 12's of the 60's and 70's - Knowledge Please?
Um, yes I did..........
Guy has agreed to let it stay in the barn until I have done the two weekends of training that I spoke about in my other post and then said he will help me get her on the water, see what leaks and how bad the ropes and hardware are.
Make a shopping list and go from there?
Planning what we call in the bikes scene a "rolling resto", aka, put it back together by the end of the weekend!
If needs be another hack boat can be sourced for practicing in.
Always regretted selling my Spada 2, lovely thing to ride but ugly as....
Cheers
DF
Guy has agreed to let it stay in the barn until I have done the two weekends of training that I spoke about in my other post and then said he will help me get her on the water, see what leaks and how bad the ropes and hardware are.
Make a shopping list and go from there?
Planning what we call in the bikes scene a "rolling resto", aka, put it back together by the end of the weekend!
If needs be another hack boat can be sourced for practicing in.
Always regretted selling my Spada 2, lovely thing to ride but ugly as....
Cheers
DF
Re: National 12's of the 60's and 70's - Knowledge Please?
My advice (with limited knowledge) is to try and get her out on the water as quickly as possible before the weather gives up. This will help you to justify to yourself all the hours you will put in on her over the coming winter...
Having said that she looks in good shape.
Michael
Having said that she looks in good shape.
Michael
Tideway 206
11+
Sold the 'Something bigger and plastic', it never got used.
11+
Sold the 'Something bigger and plastic', it never got used.
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Re: National 12's of the 60's and 70's - Knowledge Please?
Pay particular attention to the rear buoyancy tank. I have to say I prefer bags at the back. But I could forgive it if it were one of mine as she is in such lively order.
Cheers
Cheers
Steve Hawkins
1967 National 12 2383 "Sparkle"
1967 National 12 2383 "Sparkle"
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Re: National 12's of the 60's and 70's - Knowledge Please?
Hi all thanks again for the interest.
Turns out it belonged to a Mr Robin Smith, a British Airways Pilot in the 70's, sailed at Staines Sailing Club.
Trying to establish if he actually built it himself, seems well finished. No doubt a clever guy but busy too.
The rear tank is like a writing desk my dad has! If you look at the album online you might be able to make out that the tank is divided down the middle by a wall above the "tunnel" I noted tape and resin there in the tunnel so I guess the tanks leaked.
Want to keep her original so would it be legit to put bags inside the tanks?
What is the general consensus on rear tanks? Doesn't the big tank on some designs like this one hinder movement aft? I've seen some Crusaders and Baggies which have no aft tank, some with a small "step" tank, some a bar for a transom and some a rudder mount "knee" for a transom.
Thanks
DF
Turns out it belonged to a Mr Robin Smith, a British Airways Pilot in the 70's, sailed at Staines Sailing Club.
Trying to establish if he actually built it himself, seems well finished. No doubt a clever guy but busy too.
The rear tank is like a writing desk my dad has! If you look at the album online you might be able to make out that the tank is divided down the middle by a wall above the "tunnel" I noted tape and resin there in the tunnel so I guess the tanks leaked.
Want to keep her original so would it be legit to put bags inside the tanks?
What is the general consensus on rear tanks? Doesn't the big tank on some designs like this one hinder movement aft? I've seen some Crusaders and Baggies which have no aft tank, some with a small "step" tank, some a bar for a transom and some a rudder mount "knee" for a transom.
Thanks
DF
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Re: National 12's of the 60's and 70's - Knowledge Please?
I have seen a couple of boats of this era that have had these tanks removed, which was why I mentioned it. Also you will find that the National 12 is a very responsive boat to balance and trim, with a need to move your weight quite far back when going downwind in a blow. Some designs even have a tendency to nose dive if you are not careful. You will learn very quickly that the National 12 will tell you when you sat in the wrong place - they are quite lively.
I like the single skinned National 12, both glued clinker and early 4 planker variety, due to their simplicity. No need to worry about leaking tanks, as often there is only a small one up front.
It would be worth giving it a go first. It might be okay. Plus removal might be quite complicated and you will have definitely still have evidence of its existence if it is removed.
I like the single skinned National 12, both glued clinker and early 4 planker variety, due to their simplicity. No need to worry about leaking tanks, as often there is only a small one up front.
It would be worth giving it a go first. It might be okay. Plus removal might be quite complicated and you will have definitely still have evidence of its existence if it is removed.
Steve Hawkins
1967 National 12 2383 "Sparkle"
1967 National 12 2383 "Sparkle"
Re: National 12's of the 60's and 70's - Knowledge Please?
Just go sailing!
The boat has coped with the tank this long, so only remove it if it is seriously annoying you when sailing.
As for putting bags in it - you can but they tend to trap moisture between bag and hull, so you'd need to remove them and dry it out every now and again, or if leaving the boat for a while.
The boat has coped with the tank this long, so only remove it if it is seriously annoying you when sailing.
As for putting bags in it - you can but they tend to trap moisture between bag and hull, so you'd need to remove them and dry it out every now and again, or if leaving the boat for a while.
Rupert