Hi all
I think this is actually a Flipper scow not a Skipper scow as advertised.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Dinghy-sailing-bo ... 240%3A1318
It may be a cheap lost class for someone - double hander with spinnaker & trapeze I believe.
Nigel
Possible lost class
Re: Possible lost class
Gosh Nigel, I spent ages today googling skipper scow....and got nowhere, I shall now start my search again.
Good to see I am not only one who incessantly trawls ebay.....
Good to see I am not only one who incessantly trawls ebay.....
The Peril
Agamemnon
Lovely little Cadet
OK 1954
Xena Warrior Princess
Finn 469
Laser 2
Wayfarer World
Agamemnon
Lovely little Cadet
OK 1954
Xena Warrior Princess
Finn 469
Laser 2
Wayfarer World
Re: Possible lost class
Hi Nessa,
I think it is a danish design (Peer Brunn?) so was popular on the continent in the past butI have never seen one sailed or advertised intthe UK before.
Nigel
I think it is a danish design (Peer Brunn?) so was popular on the continent in the past butI have never seen one sailed or advertised intthe UK before.
Nigel
Re: Possible lost class
Yes, I've now seen one being sailed on youtube and have found various websites, but all the info is in Danish...
Perhaps Ancient Geek might be able to enlighten us. It's a nice looking boat. I'd be keen to know the sail area.
Perhaps Ancient Geek might be able to enlighten us. It's a nice looking boat. I'd be keen to know the sail area.
The Peril
Agamemnon
Lovely little Cadet
OK 1954
Xena Warrior Princess
Finn 469
Laser 2
Wayfarer World
Agamemnon
Lovely little Cadet
OK 1954
Xena Warrior Princess
Finn 469
Laser 2
Wayfarer World
Re: Possible lost class
Hi Nessa,
apparently 10.22 sq m with a 7.99 sq m spinnaker.
Nigel
apparently 10.22 sq m with a 7.99 sq m spinnaker.
Nigel
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Ancient Geek
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Re: Possible lost class
Peer Bruun now builds modern vintage boats! IE fiberglass replicas.
Peer Bruun
Strandvejen 151 3060 Espergaerde Danmark Telephone 0045 49132020
http://www.viborgsiden.dk/fdf/sejlads/e ... fmain.html
Megin is a modern danish smack in family with the traditional fishingboats and
the Viking ships. "Meginhufer", is the the name the old boatbuilders gave the
frame , that gave their ships a speciel strenght. Megin has the same shape, and
it turns out that the channels in the bottom of the boat gives extra speed and
smoother sailing. The Megin has the same type of mast as the old fishingboats -
a light and low wooden mast and pole. The mainsail and jib has a low sail plan
which makes the Megin easy to sail. The wooden keel has a draught of app. 3"-4"
and gives, combined with the "Meginhufers", a good balance and course stability.
The Megin comes with 300 l. airbags and 100 kg of lead ballast. The construction
and safety of the Megin has been tested and approved by IMCI. The Megin is easy
to maintain. The hull is made of fibreglass and the inside of the Megin is
covered with nice smooth larch. The sails are made of dacron - it doesn´t get
damp or mouldy. The Megin can be launched from the beach with a trolley. The
Megin is very roomy which makes it a dinghy for the whole family. On the other
hand, it´s so simple that you can sail it alone. The sail area is only 10m2, but
the Megin sails faster and better than the majority. When it´s windy you don´t
need a crowd of people to sit on the gunwale - you can sail the Megin alone or
with a crew sitting inside the boat. It´s a challenge to race a Megin - the
sails must be trimmed correctly and the shape adjusted by tightening or
slackening the halyards and other ropes. Depending on the weather conditions,
the weight of the crew must be moved forward or aft to get the right balance in
the boat. The best way to learn this, is to watch the other Megin sailors when
you are sailing. When you are sailing upwind in narrow passages and under
difficult conditions, it´s sometimes useful to have a centreboard. When racing
however, you´re not allowed to use the centreboard.
Megin-"Do-it-yourself" version: Fibreglasshull with airbags (build in),
stainless steel bowband, keelband with mountings for the rudder, "eye" in the
bow, mountings for the rowlocks and CE-certificate. Price: Dkr. 14.000,-.
Megin-"Ready-to-sail" version: Like above. Accommodated with larch/oak. Mast,
pole and oars made with Douglas spruce - ready for soap-, oil- or varnish.
Sails, ropes, ballast (100 kg lead in 5 bars) and CE-certificate. Price: Dkr.
35.000,-.
Alloy centreboard in centreboard-trunk made of fibreglass covered with larch.
Price: Dkr. 5.000,- (Same price for new/old boat). Since the centreboard is
placed next to the keel, it doesn´t affect the normal characteristics of the
boat.
I have no e-mail but the boat in question and as shown scratches the memory old Y&Y's might be helpful it would have been as the mini scows on the back of the Fireball success were being built by every man and his dog. Most of them were failures because as is the way they were not very good. There were lots of different ones on the Oresund including Paul Elvestroms attempts at popular boats some of which survive.
Peer Bruun
Strandvejen 151 3060 Espergaerde Danmark Telephone 0045 49132020
http://www.viborgsiden.dk/fdf/sejlads/e ... fmain.html
Megin is a modern danish smack in family with the traditional fishingboats and
the Viking ships. "Meginhufer", is the the name the old boatbuilders gave the
frame , that gave their ships a speciel strenght. Megin has the same shape, and
it turns out that the channels in the bottom of the boat gives extra speed and
smoother sailing. The Megin has the same type of mast as the old fishingboats -
a light and low wooden mast and pole. The mainsail and jib has a low sail plan
which makes the Megin easy to sail. The wooden keel has a draught of app. 3"-4"
and gives, combined with the "Meginhufers", a good balance and course stability.
The Megin comes with 300 l. airbags and 100 kg of lead ballast. The construction
and safety of the Megin has been tested and approved by IMCI. The Megin is easy
to maintain. The hull is made of fibreglass and the inside of the Megin is
covered with nice smooth larch. The sails are made of dacron - it doesn´t get
damp or mouldy. The Megin can be launched from the beach with a trolley. The
Megin is very roomy which makes it a dinghy for the whole family. On the other
hand, it´s so simple that you can sail it alone. The sail area is only 10m2, but
the Megin sails faster and better than the majority. When it´s windy you don´t
need a crowd of people to sit on the gunwale - you can sail the Megin alone or
with a crew sitting inside the boat. It´s a challenge to race a Megin - the
sails must be trimmed correctly and the shape adjusted by tightening or
slackening the halyards and other ropes. Depending on the weather conditions,
the weight of the crew must be moved forward or aft to get the right balance in
the boat. The best way to learn this, is to watch the other Megin sailors when
you are sailing. When you are sailing upwind in narrow passages and under
difficult conditions, it´s sometimes useful to have a centreboard. When racing
however, you´re not allowed to use the centreboard.
Megin-"Do-it-yourself" version: Fibreglasshull with airbags (build in),
stainless steel bowband, keelband with mountings for the rudder, "eye" in the
bow, mountings for the rowlocks and CE-certificate. Price: Dkr. 14.000,-.
Megin-"Ready-to-sail" version: Like above. Accommodated with larch/oak. Mast,
pole and oars made with Douglas spruce - ready for soap-, oil- or varnish.
Sails, ropes, ballast (100 kg lead in 5 bars) and CE-certificate. Price: Dkr.
35.000,-.
Alloy centreboard in centreboard-trunk made of fibreglass covered with larch.
Price: Dkr. 5.000,- (Same price for new/old boat). Since the centreboard is
placed next to the keel, it doesn´t affect the normal characteristics of the
boat.
I have no e-mail but the boat in question and as shown scratches the memory old Y&Y's might be helpful it would have been as the mini scows on the back of the Fireball success were being built by every man and his dog. Most of them were failures because as is the way they were not very good. There were lots of different ones on the Oresund including Paul Elvestroms attempts at popular boats some of which survive.
Simples.
Re: Possible lost class
Thanks ever so AG x. I have to say it appeals more than the moth, just because of the novelty value, especially since I think I could sail it solo, but I am confused about bot being allowed to use the centre board..?
The Peril
Agamemnon
Lovely little Cadet
OK 1954
Xena Warrior Princess
Finn 469
Laser 2
Wayfarer World
Agamemnon
Lovely little Cadet
OK 1954
Xena Warrior Princess
Finn 469
Laser 2
Wayfarer World
Re: Possible lost class
Hi Nessa,
A bit more research indicates it may have been a junior class akin to the 420 in its target audience
if it stays cheap, you will always get your money back if you do not like it.
In my experience, putting it on ebay with some photos of the boat actually being sailed immediately increases what people are prepared to pay.
Nigel
A bit more research indicates it may have been a junior class akin to the 420 in its target audience
if it stays cheap, you will always get your money back if you do not like it.
In my experience, putting it on ebay with some photos of the boat actually being sailed immediately increases what people are prepared to pay.
Nigel
Re: Possible lost class
The Tempo scow...... looked into this at some length when researching the 'skiffs v scow piece last spring.
There is an active class association out in Europe, both in the Netherlands and in Germany.
Alan Williams is the oracle on Tempo's, they had them in numbers in Plymouth I seem to recall
D
There is an active class association out in Europe, both in the Netherlands and in Germany.
Alan Williams is the oracle on Tempo's, they had them in numbers in Plymouth I seem to recall
D
David H
Re: Possible lost class
Hi David,
Tempo? I thought they were a different beast to the Flipper - (South African in origin and 15ft 6 in LOA vs. Danish and 13ft LOA).
Nigel
Tempo? I thought they were a different beast to the Flipper - (South African in origin and 15ft 6 in LOA vs. Danish and 13ft LOA).
Nigel
Re: Possible lost class
Nigel,
yes indeed, Tempo and Flipper are two very different classes.
The flipper is the training boat, the Tempo on the other hand is quite close in many ways to the fireball and is quite a beast.
Try
http://www.tempo-scow.de/
and then navigate your way to the history pages.
lots of infor there.... Bablefish can help!
D
yes indeed, Tempo and Flipper are two very different classes.
The flipper is the training boat, the Tempo on the other hand is quite close in many ways to the fireball and is quite a beast.
Try
http://www.tempo-scow.de/
and then navigate your way to the history pages.
lots of infor there.... Bablefish can help!
D
David H
Re: Possible lost class
The Flipper was introduced into the UK about 1970, but ran up against the Bullet. The Bullet was a Peter Milne design, which gave it credibility, but judging from the boat number in the film on YouTube the Flipper seems to have had more success as a class. Strange that, as the Bullet had a trapeze, but I don't think the Flipper did. Both boats were marketed as 'trainers'. One book I have suggests the Flipper's weight "....makes car topping quite simple so that commuting between events in a Mini is no problem".
Regards, and Happy New Year !
Nick C
Regards, and Happy New Year !
Nick C
Re: Possible lost class
One of my books lists a trapeze as an optional extra. It seems quite narrow (4ft 2 in) so a trapeze would be a major help for a light crew. It also lists the "sailing" weight at 70kg so it is very light for the time.
A german PY listing for 2008 shows it as marginally faster than a 420 so they must go pretty well for their size.
Nigel
A german PY listing for 2008 shows it as marginally faster than a 420 so they must go pretty well for their size.
Nigel
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Re: Possible lost class
Hi Guys
There is a sailing youth charity in Plymouth which was given four Tempo scows by the then importer. Nice boat very basic kids love them as they look racy, all the scows provide to the charity are international safety Orange and I'm lead to belive that this was the standard colour supplied.
We have at Roadford a Tempo scow which was built from scratch by the current owners father. This as Dave H said is a very different propostion and looks fast even out of the water. The design is far prettyer than the Fireball and I'm also informed that the performance is similiar. I have only seen this boat sailed loaded down to the gunnels with the owner and lots of kids on board but it still seemed to perform well. Happy New year to you all and I hope 2009 turns out better than 2008.
Cheers Al Finn 424 etc.
There is a sailing youth charity in Plymouth which was given four Tempo scows by the then importer. Nice boat very basic kids love them as they look racy, all the scows provide to the charity are international safety Orange and I'm lead to belive that this was the standard colour supplied.
We have at Roadford a Tempo scow which was built from scratch by the current owners father. This as Dave H said is a very different propostion and looks fast even out of the water. The design is far prettyer than the Fireball and I'm also informed that the performance is similiar. I have only seen this boat sailed loaded down to the gunnels with the owner and lots of kids on board but it still seemed to perform well. Happy New year to you all and I hope 2009 turns out better than 2008.
Cheers Al Finn 424 etc.